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Who are you going to vote for?

  • George W. Bush

    Votes: 23 41.8%

  • John Kerry

    Votes: 31 56.4%

  • Ralph Nader

    Votes: 1 1.8%
  • Total voters
    55
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Homer Simpson: "The trick is to say you're prejudiced against all races" LOL
 
I like Homers thoughts.. :D

Hey, looks like I f'ed up.. Didn't 'activate' myself in time so gotta reschedule.. w00t!

Now, for a midnight cruise up the coast... :cool:
 
One easy fix is to turn OFF that silly rep meter deelybob... :)
 
spoofskate said:
Augh, I've already given you some good reputation recently Cedar or I'd cancel it out. You're not alone by the way - someone did a similar thing to me a couple of weeks back. This is ridiculous - the reputations on this forum are meant to be used for the deals we find and the info we add there. It's not a way to snap at somebody on an off-topic discussion.
As far as I'm concerned, you're one of the best deal finders on Spoofee and it's really sad that people are lashing out in such a childish way.
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I know who left the feedback, it's my choice not to embarrass them. Everyone else can just look in this thread and think about it for two seconds, they weren't very bright about it. ;) .

I like that we have reputations and the ones I do get I read to see if I need to fix something or other users like what I do, however this one was just a personal attack so I thought I would poke a little fun at them for being so childish. :evil:

Thank you spoofskate :D
 
Erik said:
The funny thing is that Nader actually isn't a bad candidate, it's just that you throw your vote away if you vote for him.
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AHHAHAHAHAHA!!! Nader isn't a bad candidate.
 
Yeah said:
(Canadian Broadcasting Corp)[/i] did a review on Iraq and their conclusion that Iraq was actually worse than the media was "portraying" it as.
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Ya, Canada, the country that outlawed FNC.
 
So what exactly is Kerry's stance on Iraq? Please explain.
 
spazntwitch said:
So what exactly is Kerry's stance on Iraq? Please explain.
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1) Get other countries, real allies, not just Poland, to help out (money/coordination/troops). The Gulf War cost $61 billion to fight. The US paid $6 to fight it. We've paid $120 billion alone so far in Iraq!

2) Start training Iraqis to make up their army. Right now only 20,000 Iraqi's are trained for combat. Bush says 100,000, but that includes police and border guards as well. That 100,000 is not just combat trained Iraqis (Bush is well short of actually having the 120,000 at the end of the year they promised). Train the Iraqis outside of the country, so that the terror groups don't infiltrate the camps to learn how to fight better! This is something that an ally can help do.

More importantly, its significant to really build up the Iraqi military so it can fight the terror. Why? In a recent paper done by the CSIS, a Washington DC think tank, polls indicated that the Iraqi population (about 75%) was rather proud and hopeful that their military would win out over the terrorists. Only 10% of the Iraqis polled thought the US military could win the peace! So its clear that the Iraqis, while thankful, don't have much confidence in our military. So if we can build up their military, they have a fighting chance and once the casualties are Iraqi army personel, the terror groups will find it much harder to recruit Iraqis.

3) Rebuild Iraq! Only $600 million of the $18 billion to reconstruct Iraq has been spent. That's paultry. The CSIS paper noted that Iraqis can get $100 to set a bomb by the road or to fire at troops. If Iraqis can be given jobs this will disappear. In addition, too many jobs are being outsourced and need to be done by Iraqis.

Its more complicated than that, but this is the gist of it.

What's different from the Bush plan? While Bush has claimed to do well in all three categories, we all know that we don't have a coalition. As Kerry noted, countries are leaving, not joining. Britian is looking to lower its troop deployment in Iraq soon. Bush has failed miserably at building an army because he's got no where to do it and won't budge on the ally issue. And as noted, less than 4% of the budgeted money to rebuild Iraq has been spent. We've been there for almost 18 months and only $600 million? Halliburton got a sweet $12 billion no bid contract. Yet, we've only paid $600 million into Iraq.

Yes, ultimately the Bush is the Kerry plan. The difference? Results.
 
I've provided plenty of links in the past to neutral sites like factcheck.org. But since those didn't seem to have any impact, I figured I might as well post a partisan link like Capt. Nemo too.
 
Ok then, we’ll talk about Kerry’s stand on abortion


John Kerry supports using tax dollars to pay for abortion.
John Kerry has stated that if elected president he would appoint only Supreme Court justices who support the 1973 Supreme Court decision that legalized abortion on demand. He declared, “...I will support only pro-choice judges to the Supreme Court. Some may call this a litmus test...”
John Kerry (Senator) voted against the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act every chance he got -- six times.

Do you even know what it is? The partial-birth abortion procedure is used from the fifth month on -- involves pulling a living baby feet-first out of the womb, except for the head, puncturing the skull and suctioning out the brain. The great majority of partial-birth abortions are performed on healthy babies of healthy mothers. Fun, huh? Aren’t you glad YOUR mother chose life!?

John Kerry supports the 1973 Supreme Court decision that legalized abortion on demand -- even as a method of birth control.
John Kerry , during his 20 years in the Senate, voted 79 times to support abortion.
John Kerry voted against “Laci and Conner’s Law,” which recognizes as victims unborn children who are killed or injured in violent federal crimes.
John Kerry voted against notifying a parent before performing an abortion on a minor daughter.

John Edwards, in his six years in the Senate, has compiled a 0% pro-life voting record. He voted to keep partial-birth abortions legal and he supports tax funding of abortion.

And THOSE my fellow Americans, are facts!
 
spoofskate said:
Wow, so many lies in one place...
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In that case, it was KERRY himself that did the lying. Did you download the video? I have the DVD & it’s ALL clips of JK himself- in the flesh making those statements. (I bet you didn’t even click on the link…)
 
Capt. Nemo said:
Ok then, we’ll talk about Kerry’s stand on abortion


John Kerry supports using tax dollars to pay for abortion.
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Surprise, tax dollars already are going for paying for abortions. So much for Bush's stance.
John Kerry has stated that if elected president he would appoint only Supreme Court justices who support the 1973 Supreme Court decision that legalized abortion on demand. He declared, “...I will support only pro-choice judges to the Supreme Court. Some may call this a litmus test...”
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Atleast Kerry was honest. We all know where Bush stands, but he doesn't have the professionality to step out on a limb and speak his true opinion.
John Kerry (Senator) voted against the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act every chance he got -- six times.

Do you even know what it is?
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Yeah. A partial birth abortion is a very rare form of abortion. It is seldomly ever used... one of the reasons why they don't make claims as to how many abortions they've stopped by outlawing them. However, Kerry also noted, that he would have supported the bill had it not been so poorly written.

John Kerry supports the 1973 Supreme Court decision that legalized abortion on demand -- even as a method of birth control.
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Kerry is only supporting the wishes of the Founding Fathers, who didn't seem to think abortion was a big deal. In fact, laws in the US against abortion didn't start until the 1820's.

John Kerry , during his 20 years in the Senate, voted 79 times to support abortion.
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Guess that means he isn't "flip-flopping".

John Kerry voted against “Laci and Conner’s Law,” which recognizes as victims unborn children who are killed or injured in violent federal crimes.
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Yeah. So the killer only gets charged with one case of murder. I don't think Kerry's vote there was a vote for clemency.
John Kerry voted against notifying a parent before performing an abortion on a minor daughter.
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Seems a wise thing because some kids may just go through with the birth secretly and then killed the air breathing baby after birth.

John Edwards, in his six years in the Senate, has compiled a 0% pro-life voting record. He voted to keep partial-birth abortions legal and he supports tax funding of abortion.
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Once again, no flip-flopping.

And THOSE my fellow Americans, are facts!
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Of course, Bush is doing little to help reduce the number of abortions occurring. He wants to teach Abstinence only programs, which have shown to be failures. Virginity pledges have about a 20% success rate and when they are only taught abstinence, the then sexually active and ignorant teens/young adults pass have pregnancies at higher rates, abortions at higher rates and STD transmittal at higher rates than students who are taught abstinence as a companion with a full and information sexual education program. And worse yet, the Bush administration misrepresented success of abstinence education in Africa, claiming that we shouldn't promote condom use, which only leads to the higher spreading of the AIDS virus and abortions.
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
Surprise, tax dollars already are going for paying for abortions. So much for Bush's stance.
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George W. Bush opposes using tax dollars to pay for abortion. During his first week in office, President Bush reinstated the Mexico City Policy, which cut off tax funds to groups that promote abortion overseas.

Jimmy Higgins said:
Atleast Kerry was honest. We all know where Bush stands, but he doesn't have the professionality to step out on a limb and speak his true opinion.
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George W. Bush said that he will appoint Supreme Court justices who share his conservative philosophy and who will strictly interpret the Constitution according to its text. (The text of the Constitution contains no right to abortion.)

Jimmy Higgins said:
Yeah. A partial birth abortion is a very rare form of abortion. It is seldomly ever used....
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HAHAHA That's simply NOT true. According to a survey conducted by the Alan Guttmacher Institute, "an estimated total of 31 providers performed the procedure 2,200 times in 2000." (Lawrence B. Finer and Stanley K. Henshaw, "Abortion Incidence and Services in the United States in 2000," Perspectives on Sexual and Reproductive Health, Volume 35, Number 1, January/February 2003, p. 13. ) AND THAT'S JUST IN 2000!

Since states do not have mandatory and uniform abortion reporting requirements, there is no way to know how many partial-birth abortions are performed each year. Abortion supporters insist that only about 500 partial-birth abortions are performed annually. However, Martin Haskell (the abortionist who developed the procedure) reported in 1992 performing more than 700 partial-birth abortions in his abortion practice.

President George W. Bush promoted and signed the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act into law.

Jimmy Higgins said:
Kerry is only supporting the wishes of the Founding Fathers, who didn't seem to think abortion was a big deal. In fact, laws in the US against abortion didn't start until the 1820's.
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Ummmm, the Founding Father were CHRISTIANS & did not "seem to think abortion was a big deal."

George W. Bush opposes the 1973 Supreme Court decision that legalized abortion on demand and he supports legal protection for unborn children.

Jimmy Higgins said:
Guess that means he isn't "flip-flopping".
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LOL wow you found a point- he's for murder.

George W. Bush has repeatedly supported legislation which would protect unborn children and people with disabilities.

Jimmy Higgins said:
Yeah. So the killer only gets charged with one case of murder. I don't think Kerry's vote there was a vote for clemency.
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George W. Bush signed “Laci and Conner’s Law,” which recognizes as victims unborn children who are killed or injured in violent federal crimes.

Jimmy Higgins said:
Seems a wise thing because some kids may just go through with the birth secretly and then killed the air breathing baby after birth.
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That's murder. It's wrong.

George W. Bush supported legislation to prevent minor daughters from being taken across state lines for secret abortions in order to avoid parental notice laws.

Jimmy Higgins said:
Once again, no flip-flopping.
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Once again, Pro-Murder

Dick Cheney has taken a strong pro-life position. During his 10 years in Congress, he compiled a 100% pro-life voting record. He opposes partial-birth abortion and he voted against tax funding of abortion.

Jimmy Higgins said:
Of course, Bush is doing little to help reduce the number of abortions occurring.
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& you think the Dems did any better? LOL
 
Capt. Nemo said:
George W. Bush opposes using tax dollars to pay for abortion. During his first week in office, President Bush reinstated the Mexico City Policy, which cut off tax funds to groups that promote abortion overseas.
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Keyword... "overseas".

George W. Bush said that he will appoint Supreme Court justices who share his conservative philosophy and who will strictly interpret the Constitution according to its text. (The text of the Constitution contains no right to abortion.)
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The US Supreme Court has recognized a right to privacy since 1891. Roe v Wade was an extrapolation of the right to privacy onto one's own body. What could possibly be more invasive than forcing a woman to have a child?

HAHAHA That's simply NOT true. According to a survey conducted by the Alan Guttmacher Institute, "an estimated total of 31 providers performed the procedure 2,200 times in 2000." (Lawrence B. Finer and Stanley K. Henshaw, "Abortion Incidence and Services in the United States in 2000," Perspectives on Sexual and Reproductive Health, Volume 35, Number 1, January/February 2003, p. 13. ) AND THAT'S JUST IN 2000!
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JUST IN 2000! Oh my gosh! Well, according to the US Census Bureau http://www.census.gov/prod/2003pubs/02statab/vitstat.pdf in 1997, there were about 60000 abortions performed (Table 88). So assuming 60000 in the year 2000, a rather safe estimate, that would mean 3% of abortions that year were partial birth abortions. I said the procedure was rare. 3% is rare.

President George W. Bush promoted and signed the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act into law.
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Is there an echo? You already said that. The law has already been deemed illegal by the way.

Ummmm, the Founding Father were CHRISTIANS & did not "seem to think abortion was a big deal."
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The Founding Fathers were deists and there is nothing in the Constitution regarding abortion, nor can you find any laws prohibiting abortion in the 18th Century.

George W. Bush opposes the 1973 Supreme Court decision that legalized abortion on demand and he supports legal protection for unborn children.
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He wasn't man enough to claim that last night.

George W. Bush signed “Laci and Conner’s Law,” which recognizes as victims unborn children who are killed or injured in violent federal crimes.
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There's that echo again.

There is nothing new from you. We know Kerry is Pro-Choice. From the way your parroting things, its like you broke open some huge news.

You may also notice, from the link provided, that during the Clinton Administration teenage pregnancies and abortions dropped. So us silly libs must be doing something right.
 
I just want to say that the government has absolutely no right to tell me what to do with my own body and my own life. Banning partial birth abortions is just the beginning, if Bushy is reelected all of our rights to any kind of abortion will slowly be taken from us. That's not right. I smell trouble...
 
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