Jimmy Higgins said:
Funny, seeing that the South fired on Federal troops at Fort Sumter. Like it or not, the South literally fired the first shot and started the Civil War. Complaing about Lincoln and the South getting their butts whooped is sad seeing the North didn't start the battle, the South instigated it.
Guess you slept through history class there Jimmy. The North violated "States Rights." This was the grating cause of the War, not the issue of slavery. You were the one that idealized Lincoln not me. You have a loss of short term memory. Must be from driving your car to work, then sitting on your arse all day while doing nothing. And, as a fellow Spoofer, I will remind you only one time, that there are many, many proud Southerners that haunt this site.
The North violated state rights? How did they violate the rights? The South fired on a Federal Fort. Sounds as if the rights of the Federal troops was violated first.
In the end, NEITHER side actually won a dam thing...the black people ended up in a worse position (the North did not want them, and, there was no work for them to return to the South), families and property were destroyed, lives were lost, and fundings were non-existant. Thanks to the South, your freedoms were further solidfied into Constitutional rights. The South gave every USA State the right to protect their own state's rights today. Case in point, my own state is voting on the slot machine admendment and the voting early admendment to our State Constitution. We can thank our fellow Southern ancestors for giving us said opportunity to continue to do what is best for our State.
That's not really correct. After the Civil War, the passage of the 14th Amendment changed a lot of stuff. Originally within the Constitution, the US Supreme Court felt that the Bill of Rights applied to laws passed by Congress and not the states, ie the states could violate such rights if they wanted to.
Barron v Baltimore (1833) would be example of the state taking property without due process. The US Supreme Court ruled it was the state, not the Federal Government and therefore, the state was not held in check by the 4th Amendment (of the Bill of Rights for that matter).
It wouldn't be until after the 14th Amendment was passed that the precedence of Barron v Baltimore (i.e. the state's ability to withhold rights from people) would be slowly removed... with a climax of
Brown v Board of Education. The influence would continue with the decision of
Loving v Virginia (which barred states from being able to criminalize interracial marriage) and very recently
Lawrence v Texas (which barred states from being able to criminalize private consensual gay sex).
So this whole idea that through the Civil War, the South managed to cement state rights is very wrong. Since the late 1800's, the State's ability to withhold the rights of its citizens has been reduced by a significant margin, in most part due to the 14th Amendment... which was passed because of the Civil War.
So you see Dude, never tweak a Southerner...we are a very proud people who fought for your right to be so misinformed and ignorant of historical fact.
Ignorant? You are claiming that firing first at Federal troops makes the South the victim somehow.
The North thought the "War" would last only one day...it lasted four long years.
Actually both sides thought the war would only last a month of two. So much for military intelligence.
The South beat all odds, with less resources, less man power. It was an agarian state, while the North was more industrial with more man power. Your comparing the two is like comparing apples to bricks.
Yeah, but the South surrendered, went back into the US and the Confederacy no longer exists, so the South clearly lost the war.
In my mind, and in the minds of so many intelligent people, no one actually wins in any war.
This reminds me of I AM Weasel.
I R Baboon: Did we win?
I M Weasel: ~In fighting, there are no winners.... but if there were... we wouldn't be them.
The good news for the South was that while they lost, through massive Presidential electoral fraud, managed to get rid of the Reconstruction, put up the Jim Crow laws that lasted nearly 100 years and helped keep the South the morally impoverished part of the US it has been so proud of being. :sus:
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